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		<title>By: Lawheads</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-13242</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawheads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for all your hard work, it was a great to be able to participate in this incredible event.  We all owe a great deal to so many people.  I hope there will be a wide diversity of efforts made to keep up the momentum.  It is hard to feel confident that one’s choice of action is the best one, the right one, the one that rings true for oneself and for the greater cause.  We all have a lot to give of our own gifts and uncertainty is apparently part of the mystery.  Great line by Paul Hawken in a recent interview:  we should not underestimate the seriousness of our situation, but we also should not underestimate what we can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for all your hard work, it was a great to be able to participate in this incredible event.  We all owe a great deal to so many people.  I hope there will be a wide diversity of efforts made to keep up the momentum.  It is hard to feel confident that one’s choice of action is the best one, the right one, the one that rings true for oneself and for the greater cause.  We all have a lot to give of our own gifts and uncertainty is apparently part of the mystery.  Great line by Paul Hawken in a recent interview:  we should not underestimate the seriousness of our situation, but we also should not underestimate what we can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Local Work Parties for Climate Solutions</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-13241</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Work Parties for Climate Solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 09:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might remember our Blog Action Day rally post a year ago about sending a message to global leaders to limit carbon emissions to 350ppm in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Spowind</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-9033</link>
		<dc:creator>Spowind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pro-global warming data has been doctored.  Human caused global warming debate has been suspended.  (Besides, it has been cooling for the last 11 years anyway)  

Apparently it is not science but a political agenda looking for science to legitimatize it.  

Global warming as I stated before is a hoax.  Upon further research since my last post, it is costing the City of Spokane millions of tax dollars unnecessarily.  (The extra cost on the new STA Hybrids alone makes the case.)  Wait and see how the global warming hoax pans out before wasting another dime of tax money.

Al Gore should be paraded as the very fool he actually is.  The very Internet the “fathered”  was the author of his human caused global warming downfall.  He should give back his Nobel Prize if he had any integrity.

Let’s hope the liberal community who swallowed the pack of lies about human caused global warming will have the courage and conviction to except the fact they have been mislead and act accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pro-global warming data has been doctored.  Human caused global warming debate has been suspended.  (Besides, it has been cooling for the last 11 years anyway)  </p>
<p>Apparently it is not science but a political agenda looking for science to legitimatize it.  </p>
<p>Global warming as I stated before is a hoax.  Upon further research since my last post, it is costing the City of Spokane millions of tax dollars unnecessarily.  (The extra cost on the new STA Hybrids alone makes the case.)  Wait and see how the global warming hoax pans out before wasting another dime of tax money.</p>
<p>Al Gore should be paraded as the very fool he actually is.  The very Internet the “fathered”  was the author of his human caused global warming downfall.  He should give back his Nobel Prize if he had any integrity.</p>
<p>Let’s hope the liberal community who swallowed the pack of lies about human caused global warming will have the courage and conviction to except the fact they have been mislead and act accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-7801</link>
		<dc:creator>Contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone interested in this issue should certainly read IPCC AR4, Jon. They should also read the works of some of the scientists listed here (among other works):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Then they should evaluate the competing claims, and not rely on any *ad veracundiam* arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone interested in this issue should certainly read IPCC AR4, Jon. They should also read the works of some of the scientists listed here (among other works):</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming</a></p>
<p>Then they should evaluate the competing claims, and not rely on any *ad veracundiam* arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Dazzeetrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dazzeetrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart...i&#039;ts not your blog. Mariah is about the only one who should be saying what you said. She has what we call  &quot;standing&quot;. You don&#039;t.  To the point though...I have read everything I can get my little hands on. Sorry if you&#039;re irritated. I&#039;m very informed now. I cannot seem to find the objective research that might convince a science person that CO2 matters much. Nothing yet....

The reason I asked for Jon to define &quot;Peer&quot; is because of this:  we need a definition of the terms bandied about before we can intelligently discuss these issues. Sorry if that bothers you. Not remembering that I&#039;ve ever in my life having been called &quot;lazy&quot;.....I work 80 hrs/week.

SO when I ask questions, it&#039;s not because I haven&#039;t done the work to be informed old chum. No... it&#039;s that I&#039;m not sure the definitions in a given field are unclear.  One thing I haave discovered  since OCT 16th is that CO2 is related to nothing causing health problems and  very little to do with warming directly.  Seems to be an accompaniment (as many things are) but not causative of much as it sits right now. I ask for data to achieve a complete picture. 

&quot;Peer&quot; is an elusive term. For example when half of the 750 alleged experts who at one time supported all the propaganda have retracted their support, are they still &quot;peers&quot;? How are they thought of? Are they still &quot;experts&quot; now that they cannot make up their minds? If they&#039;re not experts anymore, do they still review manuscripts?....and do they do that chore objectively.

AMong the biggest flaw in this whole field is that the so-called &quot;peers&quot; quote each other but don&#039;t do their own research. This leads to a &quot;rah-rah&quot; group but not critical thinking or valid criticisms of their friends who are &quot;true believers&quot;. Bart...if you&#039;ve ever sat on a scientific editorial board or referred manuscipts, you&#039;d know what I  mean. I used to do some of that before I was kicked upstairs....and subsequestly changed fields. I know from which I speak.

Lots of what I&#039;ve found is just sloppy science in a culture of cheerleaders. Lots of it ( the preponderance) is garbage masquerading as science. SO I ask details because it&#039;s severly important to know who knows what. It might be a &quot;world-changer&quot;. Because it&#039;s so important o know, I will continue to look and continue to ask. You should do the same. Best wishes. D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart&#8230;i&#8217;ts not your blog. Mariah is about the only one who should be saying what you said. She has what we call  &#8220;standing&#8221;. You don&#8217;t.  To the point though&#8230;I have read everything I can get my little hands on. Sorry if you&#8217;re irritated. I&#8217;m very informed now. I cannot seem to find the objective research that might convince a science person that CO2 matters much. Nothing yet&#8230;.</p>
<p>The reason I asked for Jon to define &#8220;Peer&#8221; is because of this:  we need a definition of the terms bandied about before we can intelligently discuss these issues. Sorry if that bothers you. Not remembering that I&#8217;ve ever in my life having been called &#8220;lazy&#8221;&#8230;..I work 80 hrs/week.</p>
<p>SO when I ask questions, it&#8217;s not because I haven&#8217;t done the work to be informed old chum. No&#8230; it&#8217;s that I&#8217;m not sure the definitions in a given field are unclear.  One thing I haave discovered  since OCT 16th is that CO2 is related to nothing causing health problems and  very little to do with warming directly.  Seems to be an accompaniment (as many things are) but not causative of much as it sits right now. I ask for data to achieve a complete picture. </p>
<p>&#8220;Peer&#8221; is an elusive term. For example when half of the 750 alleged experts who at one time supported all the propaganda have retracted their support, are they still &#8220;peers&#8221;? How are they thought of? Are they still &#8220;experts&#8221; now that they cannot make up their minds? If they&#8217;re not experts anymore, do they still review manuscripts?&#8230;.and do they do that chore objectively.</p>
<p>AMong the biggest flaw in this whole field is that the so-called &#8220;peers&#8221; quote each other but don&#8217;t do their own research. This leads to a &#8220;rah-rah&#8221; group but not critical thinking or valid criticisms of their friends who are &#8220;true believers&#8221;. Bart&#8230;if you&#8217;ve ever sat on a scientific editorial board or referred manuscipts, you&#8217;d know what I  mean. I used to do some of that before I was kicked upstairs&#8230;.and subsequestly changed fields. I know from which I speak.</p>
<p>Lots of what I&#8217;ve found is just sloppy science in a culture of cheerleaders. Lots of it ( the preponderance) is garbage masquerading as science. SO I ask details because it&#8217;s severly important to know who knows what. It might be a &#8220;world-changer&#8221;. Because it&#8217;s so important o know, I will continue to look and continue to ask. You should do the same. Best wishes. D</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Mihailovich</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-7798</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Mihailovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dazzetrader - Your participation is lazy.

You keep coming back telling everyone else to fetch you scientific research - and at the current pace we&#039;ll be at 200 comments and you won&#039;t be satisfied.  Take a nice day off, hunker down in the library, and start taking notes.  Then come back here and tell us what you learned.
And at the very least, please use Google before commenting.  We&#039;re over 300 and 350 ppm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dazzetrader &#8211; Your participation is lazy.</p>
<p>You keep coming back telling everyone else to fetch you scientific research &#8211; and at the current pace we&#8217;ll be at 200 comments and you won&#8217;t be satisfied.  Take a nice day off, hunker down in the library, and start taking notes.  Then come back here and tell us what you learned.<br />
And at the very least, please use Google before commenting.  We&#8217;re over 300 and 350 ppm.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-7797</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lib.utexas.edu/lsl/help/modules/peer.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peer reviewed&lt;/a&gt; means that the work has been vetted by other experts in the same field.  Wikipedia, in as much as it can be called a source, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has an extensive article on the IPCC AR4 report&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_from_Climate_Change_2007:_The_Physical_Science_Basis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;contributed to by 620 authors&lt;/a&gt;, alongside criticisms that have been made of it - both in terms of it overstating the dangers and understating the dangers of climate change.

Here is an article in the journal &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Science&lt;/a&gt; speaking to the report and to the peer review process the report went through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.lib.utexas.edu/lsl/help/modules/peer.html" rel="nofollow">Peer reviewed</a> means that the work has been vetted by other experts in the same field.  Wikipedia, in as much as it can be called a source, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report" rel="nofollow">has an extensive article on the IPCC AR4 report</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_from_Climate_Change_2007:_The_Physical_Science_Basis" rel="nofollow">contributed to by 620 authors</a>, alongside criticisms that have been made of it &#8211; both in terms of it overstating the dangers and understating the dangers of climate change.</p>
<p>Here is an article in the journal <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686" rel="nofollow">Science</a> speaking to the report and to the peer review process the report went through.</p>
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		<title>By: Dazzeetrader</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-7796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dazzeetrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon....define &quot;Peer&quot; in this context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon&#8230;.define &#8220;Peer&#8221; in this context.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/350-day-spokane/comment-page-2/#comment-7792</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI - &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_ipcc_fourth_assessment_report_synthesis_report.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt; is some peer-reviewed science for everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8211; <a HREF="http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_ipcc_fourth_assessment_report_synthesis_report.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> is some peer-reviewed science for everybody.</p>
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