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		<title>By: Local Philanthropy Heroes</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/and-what-a-circus-it-was-council-cliff-notes-713/comment-page-1/#comment-5995</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Philanthropy Heroes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by quarterly print reviews. Brooke also draws on her perspective as an alternative educator in contributing to Envision [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dazzeetrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dazzeetrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exiled said..&quot;However, the G8 summit earlier this year declared that they are not going to&quot;LET&quot; global temperature increase by more then 2 degrees C.  &lt;--------Did anyone give a scientific plan as to how they might accomplish the &quot;LET&quot; part?

I&#039;d be shocked if these ambitious poiticians could make that happen. Nice talk for a conference though. I really love Obama but sometimes he says the darndest things.....he&#039;s a fine dreamer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exiled said..&#8221;However, the G8 summit earlier this year declared that they are not going to&#8221;LET&#8221; global temperature increase by more then 2 degrees C.  &lt;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;Did anyone give a scientific plan as to how they might accomplish the &#8220;LET&#8221; part?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be shocked if these ambitious poiticians could make that happen. Nice talk for a conference though. I really love Obama but sometimes he says the darndest things&#8230;..he&#8217;s a fine dreamer.</p>
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		<title>By: The Exiled Chairman of the Peoples State of Spotucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Exiled Chairman of the Peoples State of Spotucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weather can&#039;t be controlled by anyone regardless of their politics. However, the G8 summit earlier this year declared that they are not going to let global temperature increase by more then 2 degrees C. Some folks might call this &quot;fighting global warming&quot;. My jargon comes from the education I got for $2.35 in late fees at the public library  so I call it &quot;controlling the weather&quot;.
The casualty is the relatively high standard of living we now enjoy in our country, even poor Americans. The house passes cap &amp; trade in an effort to comply with the G8&#039;s declaration. Energy prices go up. This hurts lower income people more then the affluent because the power bill is a larger percentage of their income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weather can&#8217;t be controlled by anyone regardless of their politics. However, the G8 summit earlier this year declared that they are not going to let global temperature increase by more then 2 degrees C. Some folks might call this &#8220;fighting global warming&#8221;. My jargon comes from the education I got for $2.35 in late fees at the public library  so I call it &#8220;controlling the weather&#8221;.<br />
The casualty is the relatively high standard of living we now enjoy in our country, even poor Americans. The house passes cap &amp; trade in an effort to comply with the G8&#8242;s declaration. Energy prices go up. This hurts lower income people more then the affluent because the power bill is a larger percentage of their income.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 08:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairman said: &quot;There are casualties in every war and liberals are willing to sacrifice a higher standard of living across the board in an attempt to control the weather.&quot;   Any thoughts on how the weather might be controlled by liberals? or men? And what &quot;casualties&quot; might you be referring to?  Is the sentence a batch of jargon?  I&#039;m curious....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairman said: &#8220;There are casualties in every war and liberals are willing to sacrifice a higher standard of living across the board in an attempt to control the weather.&#8221;   Any thoughts on how the weather might be controlled by liberals? or men? And what &#8220;casualties&#8221; might you be referring to?  Is the sentence a batch of jargon?  I&#8217;m curious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Exiled Chairman of the Peoples State of Spotucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Exiled Chairman of the Peoples State of Spotucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew Teddy was a Republican. But being a Republican does not make one Conservative or on the flip side a Democrat is not also a Liberal. Progressives where great at taking advantage of something called war socialism. They did it initially post WWI, then during the Great Depression and now it&#039;s a war on climate change that is able to rally the troops. There are casualties in every war and liberals are willing to sacrifice a higher standard of living across the board in an attempt to control the weather.I have to end this now as it is leading to a much longer post then originally planned.
God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew Teddy was a Republican. But being a Republican does not make one Conservative or on the flip side a Democrat is not also a Liberal. Progressives where great at taking advantage of something called war socialism. They did it initially post WWI, then during the Great Depression and now it&#8217;s a war on climate change that is able to rally the troops. There are casualties in every war and liberals are willing to sacrifice a higher standard of living across the board in an attempt to control the weather.I have to end this now as it is leading to a much longer post then originally planned.<br />
God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dazzeetrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dazzeetrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exiled Chairman...I forgot to add that Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican...exiled to the new Progressive wing  ....then he  rejoined the Republican party.  Seems like he became disillusioned with big business  but came to understand how vital big business was/is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exiled Chairman&#8230;I forgot to add that Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican&#8230;exiled to the new Progressive wing  &#8230;.then he  rejoined the Republican party.  Seems like he became disillusioned with big business  but came to understand how vital big business was/is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dazzeetrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dazzeetrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Progressive movement 



A movement for reform that occurred roughly between 1900 and 1920. Progressives typically held that irresponsible actions by the rich were corrupting both public and private life. They called for measures such as trust busting, the regulation of railroads, provisions for the people to vote on laws themselves through referendum, the election of the Senate by the people rather than by state legislatures, and a graduated income tax (one in which higher tax rates are applied to higher incomes). The Progressives were able to get much of their program passed into law. Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson were associated with the movement.


I suppose the spinoffs are multiple but,the above is the &quot;nutshell&quot;  version.   I&#039;ve never understood the label . I thought it might be some from of thinking that actually advances a society or culture. As it turns out, it&#039;s just jargon for a movement and the definition changes over time....seemingly depend on what the so-called &quot;Progressives&quot; want to deal with in any given situation. I suppose Obama&#039;s most recent program might define what the term means today. Over the past 90 years, I can&#039;t find what the Progressives have produced.

I&#039;m interested in that movelment and if someone can actually define better, I&#039;d like to know. Would this movement in Spokane call &quot;Envision&quot; be the core of it? Perhaps something else? Maybe one of the spokesmen in this &quot;Progressive&quot; movement might clarify or define better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressive movement </p>
<p>A movement for reform that occurred roughly between 1900 and 1920. Progressives typically held that irresponsible actions by the rich were corrupting both public and private life. They called for measures such as trust busting, the regulation of railroads, provisions for the people to vote on laws themselves through referendum, the election of the Senate by the people rather than by state legislatures, and a graduated income tax (one in which higher tax rates are applied to higher incomes). The Progressives were able to get much of their program passed into law. Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson were associated with the movement.</p>
<p>I suppose the spinoffs are multiple but,the above is the &#8220;nutshell&#8221;  version.   I&#8217;ve never understood the label . I thought it might be some from of thinking that actually advances a society or culture. As it turns out, it&#8217;s just jargon for a movement and the definition changes over time&#8230;.seemingly depend on what the so-called &#8220;Progressives&#8221; want to deal with in any given situation. I suppose Obama&#8217;s most recent program might define what the term means today. Over the past 90 years, I can&#8217;t find what the Progressives have produced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in that movelment and if someone can actually define better, I&#8217;d like to know. Would this movement in Spokane call &#8220;Envision&#8221; be the core of it? Perhaps something else? Maybe one of the spokesmen in this &#8220;Progressive&#8221; movement might clarify or define better.</p>
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		<title>By: The Exiled Chairman of the Peoples State of Spotucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Exiled Chairman of the Peoples State of Spotucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have a term already. It&#039;s &quot;Progressive&quot;. Please know what people mean when they call themselves &quot;Progressive&quot;. Research it. Start with Teddy Roosevelt, move to the founders of Planned Parenthood and then all those fine folks from Wisconsin of all places and you&#039;ll see what road they want to take us down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have a term already. It&#8217;s &#8220;Progressive&#8221;. Please know what people mean when they call themselves &#8220;Progressive&#8221;. Research it. Start with Teddy Roosevelt, move to the founders of Planned Parenthood and then all those fine folks from Wisconsin of all places and you&#8217;ll see what road they want to take us down.</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Paul, first, there is nothing &quot;new&quot; in Envision Spokane&#039;s &quot;Bill of Frights.&quot; It is a menu of free lunches served up from the smorgasbord the Left has been dreaming about and salivating over for the last couple of centuries. It is merely the latest articulation of the Left&#039;s perennial vision of the State as Perpetual Parent, responsible for feeding, housing, transporting, educating, and nursing all of its helpless dependents. The &quot;Parent&quot; analogy is abandoned, of course, when it comes to the means by which the State is to fulfill all these gratuitous obligations. Unlike actual parents, who toil away in cornfields, shops, or factories to provide for their offspring, the State will rely on the expedient of seizing the necessary means from others at gunpoint, primarily &quot;the rich,&quot; &quot;corporations and other business entities,&quot; and others defined to be non-persons.

I do agree with you that Initiative 2009-2 in no sense represents a &quot;liberal agenda.&quot; A &quot;liberal&quot; is an advocate of personal freedom (the root of the term is the Latin *liber*, &quot;to be free.&quot;). And personal freedom is certainly the furthest thing from minds of the Initiative&#039;s leftist promoters, even though the Left long ago co-opted the term &quot;liberal&quot; to replace the unflattering &quot;statist&quot; and discredited &quot;socialist.&quot; Since &quot;liberal&quot; is now discredited as well, we can expect other euphemisms to be trotted forth, such as &quot;reformers.&quot;

Er, &quot;apolitical&quot; labor unions? Which unions would those be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Paul, first, there is nothing &#8220;new&#8221; in Envision Spokane&#8217;s &#8220;Bill of Frights.&#8221; It is a menu of free lunches served up from the smorgasbord the Left has been dreaming about and salivating over for the last couple of centuries. It is merely the latest articulation of the Left&#8217;s perennial vision of the State as Perpetual Parent, responsible for feeding, housing, transporting, educating, and nursing all of its helpless dependents. The &#8220;Parent&#8221; analogy is abandoned, of course, when it comes to the means by which the State is to fulfill all these gratuitous obligations. Unlike actual parents, who toil away in cornfields, shops, or factories to provide for their offspring, the State will rely on the expedient of seizing the necessary means from others at gunpoint, primarily &#8220;the rich,&#8221; &#8220;corporations and other business entities,&#8221; and others defined to be non-persons.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that Initiative 2009-2 in no sense represents a &#8220;liberal agenda.&#8221; A &#8220;liberal&#8221; is an advocate of personal freedom (the root of the term is the Latin *liber*, &#8220;to be free.&#8221;). And personal freedom is certainly the furthest thing from minds of the Initiative&#8217;s leftist promoters, even though the Left long ago co-opted the term &#8220;liberal&#8221; to replace the unflattering &#8220;statist&#8221; and discredited &#8220;socialist.&#8221; Since &#8220;liberal&#8221; is now discredited as well, we can expect other euphemisms to be trotted forth, such as &#8220;reformers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, &#8220;apolitical&#8221; labor unions? Which unions would those be?</p>
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