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		<title>By: BeGo to BeGin!</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/mixing-up-the-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-11572</link>
		<dc:creator>BeGo to BeGin!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to some, I don&#8217;t think enough people see the museum in this way. It is interesting to think about the effects of these four areas of society being separated in terms of physical space, but my real purpose here is to invite you to participate in BeGin! at the MAC, tonight from 6-8pm. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to some, I don&#8217;t think enough people see the museum in this way. It is interesting to think about the effects of these four areas of society being separated in terms of physical space, but my real purpose here is to invite you to participate in BeGin! at the MAC, tonight from 6-8pm. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: National Architecture Week</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/mixing-up-the-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-11250</link>
		<dc:creator>National Architecture Week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I like architects because let&#8217;s face it, they&#8217;re geeks. They love to live in a conceptual dimension with a vocabulary all of their own. Architects are at the very center of shaping a city&#8217;s identity because they are creative professionals that operate at the interface between disparate fields like urban planning and interior design. So when a member of the local Young Architects Interns and Associates Group (yAIAg) pinged me about Architecture Week in Spokane, I jumped at the chance to put my two cents in. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I like architects because let&#8217;s face it, they&#8217;re geeks. They love to live in a conceptual dimension with a vocabulary all of their own. Architects are at the very center of shaping a city&#8217;s identity because they are creative professionals that operate at the interface between disparate fields like urban planning and interior design. So when a member of the local Young Architects Interns and Associates Group (yAIAg) pinged me about Architecture Week in Spokane, I jumped at the chance to put my two cents in. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mayor Verneer</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/mixing-up-the-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-9161</link>
		<dc:creator>Mayor Verneer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Tina and Benjamin,

I am so happy to see such fine citizens espousing the benefits of higher taxes to be spent on the public good. Unfortunately there are people like the Contrarian who continue to organize and prevent me from raising taxes on all citizens. So if you wouldn&#039;t mind participating in my government tithing program and just adding a little extra when you pay your property taxes next time, I promise it will go to reducing drop out rates, or whatever is the cause celeb at that moment. 

See you at the voting booth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tina and Benjamin,</p>
<p>I am so happy to see such fine citizens espousing the benefits of higher taxes to be spent on the public good. Unfortunately there are people like the Contrarian who continue to organize and prevent me from raising taxes on all citizens. So if you wouldn&#8217;t mind participating in my government tithing program and just adding a little extra when you pay your property taxes next time, I promise it will go to reducing drop out rates, or whatever is the cause celeb at that moment. </p>
<p>See you at the voting booth!</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/mixing-up-the-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-9152</link>
		<dc:creator>Contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin wrote,

&quot;Seems to me like it is fine for a majority of people to come together and solicit local government as a partner in this goal.&quot;

Well, Benjamin, while it is fine for a majority, or any other number, of people to come together to pursue any goal they find compelling, when they &quot;solicit local government&quot; to join their crusade they do so in order to impose that goal on others who do not share it, and in the process prevent them from pursuing their own goals. Nothing in my &quot;agenda&quot; precludes your pursuit of any goals you choose. It only precludes you from imposing them on others. It thus allows each person to pursue the goals important to him, to whatever extent his own energy and resources allow, rather than allow the faction which can assemble the most guns to impose their goals on everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin wrote,</p>
<p>&#8220;Seems to me like it is fine for a majority of people to come together and solicit local government as a partner in this goal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Benjamin, while it is fine for a majority, or any other number, of people to come together to pursue any goal they find compelling, when they &#8220;solicit local government&#8221; to join their crusade they do so in order to impose that goal on others who do not share it, and in the process prevent them from pursuing their own goals. Nothing in my &#8220;agenda&#8221; precludes your pursuit of any goals you choose. It only precludes you from imposing them on others. It thus allows each person to pursue the goals important to him, to whatever extent his own energy and resources allow, rather than allow the faction which can assemble the most guns to impose their goals on everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/mixing-up-the-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-9139</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone please explain what is so &quot;utopian&quot; about reducing our drop out rate? Seems like good common business sense to me. The costs of a poorly educated workforce are devastating to everyone, not to mention the social costs of negative behaviors when young people become disengaged. 

Seems to me like it is fine for a majority of people to come together and solicit local government as a partner in this goal. I want to be free to do this and I don&#039;t want Contrarian&#039;s limited agenda to be imposed upon my ability to collaborate with elected officials and what our tax dollars support. If you don&#039;t agree with the agenda of your neighbors then you are perfectly free to get in there and participate to lobby against as is anyone else. I say stop whining about &quot;freedom&quot; and act on your values as you see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone please explain what is so &#8220;utopian&#8221; about reducing our drop out rate? Seems like good common business sense to me. The costs of a poorly educated workforce are devastating to everyone, not to mention the social costs of negative behaviors when young people become disengaged. </p>
<p>Seems to me like it is fine for a majority of people to come together and solicit local government as a partner in this goal. I want to be free to do this and I don&#8217;t want Contrarian&#8217;s limited agenda to be imposed upon my ability to collaborate with elected officials and what our tax dollars support. If you don&#8217;t agree with the agenda of your neighbors then you are perfectly free to get in there and participate to lobby against as is anyone else. I say stop whining about &#8220;freedom&#8221; and act on your values as you see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: The Author</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/mixing-up-the-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-9125</link>
		<dc:creator>The Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like say one thing: that this project does not have ANY partisan slant. The idea that we can elect officials, left or right leaning, and they can do as they please without answering to their electorate is a problem. I&#039;m sure all of you are often aware (made possible by the internet) of our house representatives or senators and their actions, and we can keep them accountable. Often we are not as aware of current policy debate at the local level… did any of you know that yesterday the City Council voted to ban all surface parking lots in downtown (I know the average citizen did not)? Issue aside… how many people really knew about the opportunity for public debate on the issue? What if this DID occur in Riverpark Square? What if the public forum was to be held where Spokane residents actually are? This proposal attempts to give ACCESS to government whether you are a liberal or a conservative. This is not a &quot;government take-over&quot; but a new way to think about gaining access to those that work for US. On a side note, if anything this would probably be in the favor of the Contrarian, instead of the passivity that characterize conservatives… and has led to the subsequent takeover of Democrats (at the national level), a more visible platform is given to all residents for their chance to form, or prevent, policy decisions i.e. expansion of government or whatever the case may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like say one thing: that this project does not have ANY partisan slant. The idea that we can elect officials, left or right leaning, and they can do as they please without answering to their electorate is a problem. I&#8217;m sure all of you are often aware (made possible by the internet) of our house representatives or senators and their actions, and we can keep them accountable. Often we are not as aware of current policy debate at the local level… did any of you know that yesterday the City Council voted to ban all surface parking lots in downtown (I know the average citizen did not)? Issue aside… how many people really knew about the opportunity for public debate on the issue? What if this DID occur in Riverpark Square? What if the public forum was to be held where Spokane residents actually are? This proposal attempts to give ACCESS to government whether you are a liberal or a conservative. This is not a &#8220;government take-over&#8221; but a new way to think about gaining access to those that work for US. On a side note, if anything this would probably be in the favor of the Contrarian, instead of the passivity that characterize conservatives… and has led to the subsequent takeover of Democrats (at the national level), a more visible platform is given to all residents for their chance to form, or prevent, policy decisions i.e. expansion of government or whatever the case may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina wrote,

&quot;The &#039;bare bones&#039; world the Contrarian advocates is very bleak indeed. I’m happy to pay my fair share to help make sure that the homeless don’t freeze to death in the winter time, to coordinate efforts to reduce our drop-out rate, and to be good stewards of our local natural resources, etc. &quot;

Nothing prevents you from doing any of those things, Tina. You&#039;re certainly free to devote as much of your own time, efforts, and money to pursuing any Utopian goals which appeal to you. But when you seek to enlist city government in their pursuit you engage in hypocrisy --- you are trying to use government force to foist the costs of your chosen goals onto others. You seek to impose your goals upon them, and deny them the use of their own resources for pursuing their own goals, which you no doubt dismiss as trivial.

The ideal of a free society --- one in which each person is free to live the lifestyle she chooses and devote her justly acquired resources to pursuit of whatever goals she finds compelling --- has always seemed &quot;bleak&quot; to Utopians, who have never hesitated to inflict their fantasies on others via State power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina wrote,</p>
<p>&#8220;The &#8216;bare bones&#8217; world the Contrarian advocates is very bleak indeed. I’m happy to pay my fair share to help make sure that the homeless don’t freeze to death in the winter time, to coordinate efforts to reduce our drop-out rate, and to be good stewards of our local natural resources, etc. &#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing prevents you from doing any of those things, Tina. You&#8217;re certainly free to devote as much of your own time, efforts, and money to pursuing any Utopian goals which appeal to you. But when you seek to enlist city government in their pursuit you engage in hypocrisy &#8212; you are trying to use government force to foist the costs of your chosen goals onto others. You seek to impose your goals upon them, and deny them the use of their own resources for pursuing their own goals, which you no doubt dismiss as trivial.</p>
<p>The ideal of a free society &#8212; one in which each person is free to live the lifestyle she chooses and devote her justly acquired resources to pursuit of whatever goals she finds compelling &#8212; has always seemed &#8220;bleak&#8221; to Utopians, who have never hesitated to inflict their fantasies on others via State power.</p>
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		<title>By: tina</title>
		<link>http://spovangelist.com/mixing-up-the-pieces/comment-page-1/#comment-9064</link>
		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government provides basic services AT A MINIMUM. Outside of streets/fire/police there are many appropriate arenas in which the government can lend support to efforts to make our city more equitable and desirable to live in. Not to do so would be negligent. 

The &quot;bare bones&quot; world the Contrarian advocates is very bleak indeed. I&#039;m happy to pay my fair share to help make sure that the homeless don&#039;t freeze to death in the winter time, to coordinate efforts to reduce our drop-out rate, and to be good stewards of our local natural resources, etc. It is doubtful that the private sector would step in if the City were to abandon the services it now provides. I don&#039;t know what you are smoking if you think the private sector will somehow self-regulate to protect the interest of generations yet to come. No, they are beholden by the quarter to their shareholders, nothing less, nothing more. 

You can take your anti-civil society curmudgeonliness and go home with it. In no way can you claim to represent the majority who don&#039;t vote. What a philosophical ego maniac you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government provides basic services AT A MINIMUM. Outside of streets/fire/police there are many appropriate arenas in which the government can lend support to efforts to make our city more equitable and desirable to live in. Not to do so would be negligent. </p>
<p>The &#8220;bare bones&#8221; world the Contrarian advocates is very bleak indeed. I&#8217;m happy to pay my fair share to help make sure that the homeless don&#8217;t freeze to death in the winter time, to coordinate efforts to reduce our drop-out rate, and to be good stewards of our local natural resources, etc. It is doubtful that the private sector would step in if the City were to abandon the services it now provides. I don&#8217;t know what you are smoking if you think the private sector will somehow self-regulate to protect the interest of generations yet to come. No, they are beholden by the quarter to their shareholders, nothing less, nothing more. </p>
<p>You can take your anti-civil society curmudgeonliness and go home with it. In no way can you claim to represent the majority who don&#8217;t vote. What a philosophical ego maniac you are.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chairman of the defunct Peoples State of Spotucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Chairman of the defunct Peoples State of Spotucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would suit me better if city council meetings were held at my office for two reasons: I could grossly over charge them for rent and just think of all the advertising! 

On a serious note... I will ask the question I have asked several times on this blog. Why the government on this one to? Wasn&#039;t it a public/private partnership that led to the Riverpark Square debacle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would suit me better if city council meetings were held at my office for two reasons: I could grossly over charge them for rent and just think of all the advertising! </p>
<p>On a serious note&#8230; I will ask the question I have asked several times on this blog. Why the government on this one to? Wasn&#8217;t it a public/private partnership that led to the Riverpark Square debacle?</p>
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