If anyone has interest, the 9 pieces of Envision’s Prop 4 look like the same points in the Comp Plan from 2001. DId Envision simply “lift” the 9 points from someone elses work? Looks like the only difference all these years later is that instead of “pie in the sky” ideas, the present Prop 4 is binding. Stolen thoughts never work.
In fact, when I came home to see my parents over the 4th, I strolled over to the party in West Central. I saw those same points in the original CompPlan. Is Spokane more liberal now??? Perhaps some “Sqeaky wheels” have recruited a few thousand people gullible enough to think the plan might work…..and be paid for in a very limited economy…. I cannot tell.

Envision Spokane / Prop 4 is truly awful legislation and should go down in flames. Even if it passed, it would never survive the single-issue rule for petitions. Apparently the legal eagles of the Envision Spokane crowd are closer to legal beagles …:J

But Envision Spokane folks, take heart. If Jon Synder and Amber Waldref get elected, they can just pass every point of Envision Spokane /Prop 4 into the City Charter along with Richard Rush, Steve Corker and Joe Shogan. Who needs a poorly written petition?

Amber is as far left as about anyone who has run for City Council in a decade. Jon Synder who runs a business and thus must make a payroll, through necessity understands budgets better, but still is the darling of the Green wing of the DNC.

“In the area of building construction (just to speak of one industry that seems to come up quite a bit), contractors who work in the private sector currently are not required to pay prevailing wages to their workers whereas all who work on State projects must pay it. Most of those contractors, btw, still make out pretty well.”

You overlook something, Jon. In the case of state contracts, the State is the customer. Any other customer could likewise require contractors on projects of theirs to pay certain wages. The contractor will be happy to comply; it makes no difference to him what wages he pays, as long as the customer is willing to pay for them. But in requiring contractors to pay certain wages on private projects, the State is no longer expressing its desires as a customer. It is intervening in contracts to which it is not a party, and imposing its preferences on the contracting parties, by force. That means many of those customers will not do those projects in this city. They will tell the State to go to hell, and build their projects in Post Falls, unless they are sure they can pass those cost increases along to their own customers. Which means, of course, that unemployment will rise and prices for most goods and services will increase. Not a healthy prescription for a low-income community.

I’m afraid you’ve succumbed to the myth of the Free Lunch, i.e., that you can create wealth by government decree.

“At least from a Christian perspective, these would be considered moral issues, as i am unqualified to speak from other perspectives.”

Yes, Jon, they are. But your duty as a Christian is to contribute your own time, talents, and money to the alleviation of suffering. It is not to force others to do so at gunpoint. Being charitable with other people’s money is neither Christian nor moral.

Interesting against videos, although i would like to see information backing that stance – specifically regarding the potential legal action everyone seems frightened of.

Regarding the moral issues at stake here (from my point of view), they would be the lack of livable wages paid by many employers in our area. In the area of building construction (just to speak of one industry that seems to come up quite a bit), contractors who work in the private sector currently are not required to pay prevailing wages to their workers whereas all who work on State projects must pay it. Most of those contractors, btw, still make out pretty well. The other major moral concerns being the affordable housing, environmental protections, and access to health care.

At least from a Christian perspective, these would be considered moral issues, as i am unqualified to speak from other perspectives.

And as a quick reminder, all services provided by the city that could arguably be for profit would be a form of socialism. You know, fire protection, schools, police services, parks, streets, transit, water and sewer, garbage, everything at the county, state, and federal levels…

If Prop 4 is simply defeated, much of this goes away sans lawsuits unless they might be initiated by the Envison lawyers trying to save themselves or the concepts embodied in EV. Whether one likes Prop 4 or not, it’ll be voted on by a public who might look at the 9 pts of Prop 4 and vote for the cosmetic “goodness”…without understanding the costs to the Spokane community…..and the implications of trying to make a City conform to rights that seriously will never be rights….just some ideas. Again, non implementable.

If the City must defend Prop 4 should it pass, something else will likely suffer because cuts will either be made in services or taxes will be raised (or both). It’s thorny if one buys into the basic premise that these ideas are indeed “rights”. Follow that path and it may well become an ethical “arguement” even though it’s not. The problem is that the “ethics” idea makes one chose sides….either you’re eithical or you’re not. Ever hear someone say they’re “sorta” ethical? Thus if you don’t do the so-called ethical thing, you’re unethical. Simple huh?

It might be better to be sure the voters are REALLy informed and that they vote. Also though, if this would pass, it makes the government responsible for the outcomes. Oh yes! JOY! Let’s have the government make coices that harness/control a population! Ughhh!

Well done EV and it’s lawyers!! Spokane needs to get braced for some mini socialism if this passes. “Mini” is the operant word in my opinion. Yay!!! I just love the topic. Vote for Prop 4!! unless you value the City of Spokane. Otherwise run for your lives!!! Just my opinion.

If you’re not going to take the time to come up with some original analysis of your own, then please refrain from spamming everyone with text you didn’t write. The excerpts you’ve included would be more appropriate as a link.

You do know how to post a link, don’t you?